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Old 02-20-2008, 12:38 PM
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State of GA:

what is the personal etc. recourse for unpaid credit card debt, given the unique situation?

had identity stolen several years ago by more than one theif. after costly legal expenses and headaches nothing seemed to work to ultimately correct the problem. credit bureaus were no help either. i decided to take another approach and beat the identity theives at their own game. took the proper legal steps and had a leagal name change. obtained a new tax id number, drivers lic. and birth certificate to my entirely new identity. i paid off all of the credit card debt for which my records indicated i was personally accountable for. tried to deal with the credit card companies on the rest but they would not cooperate. at that point i deeded my assets 1/2 to my spouse and my kids and 1/2 to a family ltd. partnership. closed all bank accounts (sent letters to credit card companies too but didn't do any good) in the old name with the exception of the mortgage, which is ALWAYS paid on time and ahead. I assume that the mortgage will just drop off in a couple of years or so when we sell the house if it's not paid off before then. in my mind i legally created a clean slate ( with a much less common variation of my former name/ identity) to avoid any future identity theft. of course their are the usual headaches of having to restablish credit etc. but much less a headache than the alternative. only issue now is that the remainder of the credit card balances approx. 10k charged or opened by lord knows who has been sold to a collection agency and they are making a hard attempt to collect. threatening letters and even calling neighbors and old employers to try to obtain info. is there anything that they can legally do? the final payments to the one card that was my personal were made by my employers bank account thankfully to help me resolve the situation. they have not tried to sue thus far but can they sue or persue someone that does not legally exist? could they sue my employer, business or spouse somehow? or put a lein on my home even though i deeded ownership away? tried reading the state code but got confused. any advice would be grately appreciated. thanks so much!
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Old 02-20-2008, 08:45 PM
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well a couple of hundred years ago a good many of the early settlers of the USA did that same thing. If you truly "Legally" through the local probate court went through the hurdles and had a legal name & identity change then your old name and identity dies. to some degree you are still responsible for your old ssn and identity however that is limited. smartest thing to do is notify the credit bureaus of a temporary credit freeze, which i assume you tried and have them "freeze" your file to prevent any further tampering. after the duration of the freeze you would basically just STOP using your SSN and any accounts tied to that old credit profile. Use the new one ( but if you were smart you would not tie any similar addresses etc. consistent w/ the old name to the new name, but this will be almost impossible) and just forget about the old stuff altogether. Always remember that the credit bureaus derrive their earnings from people looking at your credit more so than you as a consumer. hence preferential teatment is likely to be given to the banks, credit card companies and collections agencies before its given to you the consumer. always be aware of this as frustrating as it may be. I may be wrong, but i think that GA is not a TBE state meaning that there could be a possible way that these collections agencies could come after assets owned by your spouse (but i don't think your children if they are minors). I don't think they can do anything to your work just because they helped you in a time of need. Additionally it is against the Law and FCRA for a collections agent to call you or anyone at your place of work. If they call a neighbor to solicit information about you or go through the "defamation of character" routine etc. you could in turn sue them first or issue a cease and desist order and request they provide you with solid proof that the debt is actually yours and that it is your obligation to pay for it. Make sure they give you a "validation" and not just a "verification". Honestly if it is getting to this point then you would do better in a court than you would on your own. 9 times out of 10 especially in todays environment you will get a judge who will essentially be of the opinion that "unsecured debt" is actually what it says, Unsecured. That is the risk that the creditor takes in extending it to you, which is true. However as the saying goes, justice is blind.....It will all boil down to the manner in which the collections agency is acting, be it on behalf of the original lender, or on their own initiative having purchased the debt as a third party.

On another note, if i were you i would find out who the collections agency is and what their authority is (by means) to collect said debt. For instance, and is the case most of the time, a collections agency is acting under the "umbrella" of a "Law Firm". However these types of quote "Law Firms" are the lowest scum on the earth! They usually do not play by the rules, so keep good records, record any conversations (and keep it simple don't offer ANY information) and take statements from any neighbors who alert you to an incident of them receiving a call. Lastly if this is an agency/law firm in another state (i.e. New York) you can check with a local attorney but i think they can only sue you within their jurisdicion, meaning that if GA is not in their jurisdiction then it's hard for them to do anything short of selling it to someone else the does have jurisdiction in GA....

But all in all I think you are ok, as you essentially are in a "witness protection program" of sorts??. To be on the safe side I would recommend consulting with an attorney as a tactical move.
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Old 02-21-2008, 05:47 AM
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If the creditors try hard enough, I expect that they will eventually find you or your "former" assets. If they find your assets, they can attack the transfers as "fraudulent conveyances" (giving away your assets for less than value in order to bankrupt your estate and frustrate creditors), and will seek to collect against those assets. A fraudulent conveyance typically also lets the creditor avoid state law exemptions on garnishment, and may also allow the creditor to pursue the recipient's share of the property, so the creditor can often attach a greater portion of the property than was possible without the transfer.
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Old 02-22-2008, 11:40 AM
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While what Mr. K says is true, they first have to sue you and obtain a judgment. It sounds like you have an absolute defense since it wasn't you and now you aren't even you. In addition, the SOL is probably approaching. I'm not sure what that is in GA.
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Old 02-22-2008, 02:16 PM
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thanks,

that is kind of what i thought iwpat.
plus there are over 68 people in Atl with that same name.
that is likely how the whole identity theft thing started to begin with anyway. also have copies of all the letters sent to the credit card companies with attached proof that it was not me that either opened the accounts or placed the charges. of course only one of the companies even replied and helped so they really didn't even attempt to work with me on any level.

also the largest two assets were sold at their fair market appraisal value or at kbb value and not for $1.

not sure either but the main CA does not have an office in GA only in NY so i wasn't clear whether or not they could cross jurisdiction especially on amounts under $15,000 b/c that would normally put it into magistrate court right?
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Old 02-22-2008, 02:19 PM
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on a funny note there was even a judgement against me for a debt 10 years prior to my Birth! i notified the credit bureau in writing and they replied that "we have researched your dispute and found that the item in dispute does belong to you".....????

I guess they didn't read the BOLD print that said it was before i was born or even an idea....
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