Obtaining NDR Lists

[bikeman]

I wish to mail out advertising about living without driving.
How do i obtain a list of suspended/revoked drivers addresses only
in any state.
When i get a ticket, i get info on driving schools, etc. somebody obviously has this info.
thanks

[cdwjava]

I doubt that anyone maintains a list of folks on a state wide level.

Perhaps you can seek court records or team up with a public records search company that can ferret these details out for you ... but, that might be expensive.



- Carl

[Milkman]

I looked into the NDR ... here is some info on it.

http://www.nationaldriverregister.co...cy_policy.html

The NDR is THE single point of reference for the states to keep track of the drunks. There are over 50 million records in it and while not "officially" a criminal record it is used as such.

You won't find either Bush (1 DUI) or Cheney (2 DUI) in there however as they were picked up pre-NDR.

Another interesting note, you can illegally enter this country and drive w/o a license and get pulled over and over and over (no mechanism to "track" you). So, if you're having license trouble and need to drive a car....become an illegal alien.

[cdwjava]

The NDR is THE single point of reference for the states to keep track of the drunks. There are over 50 million records in it and while not "officially" a criminal record it is used as such.

"Used"? In what way are they used as a criminal record?

Another interesting note, you can illegally enter this country and drive w/o a license and get pulled over and over and over (no mechanism to "track" you). So, if you're having license trouble and need to drive a car....become an illegal alien.

I don't know about all states, but in most states the name and identifying information of an unlicensed driver (who is issued a cite or summons) is assigned a reference number. If a person is cited and does not have a local (state) ID card number they are assigned such a number so that their history and status CAN be tracked.

Who told you that illegal aliens could get stopped time and time again without problems?

- Carl

[Milkman]

By "used" I mean if I move to FL and try to get a license they have a law that says no license if you have 2 DUI within 5 yrs and they check if you have DUI by referencing NDR....that is "using" the DB as a criminal record repository.

See this note in Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_record

An "illegal" person can present any "illegal" ID or IDs at any time. So "tracking" said "illegal" person short of doing on-site biometric scanning is a hopeless situation for law enforcement. Illegals aren't in the system like the rest of birth certified, SS card carrying taxpaying citizens in the machine.

Mr. G.Davis lost his job partly for attempting to address this situation (other part was the tech bubble burst), our esteemed Governator with the dozen Hummers has stayed away from the issue of illegals and identification.

[cdwjava]

By "used" I mean if I move to FL and try to get a license they have a law that says no license if you have 2 DUI within 5 yrs and they check if you have DUI by referencing NDR....that is "using" the DB as a criminal record repository.

Not the same as a criminal record, however. And if they ever went to court, they wouldn't query the NDR, they'd query the CORI systems of the relevant states and/or the feds ... the NDR might be sufficient for administrative penalties, but not for court purposes.

A state has a legitimate purpose in establishing the rules of the road and if that state does not wish to license suspended or DUI drivers from another state, so be it.

But, to the OP's original query, you cannot get a list of persons listed on the NDR because every state has different rules for the public access to this information, You can query for your own record there, but not others.

An "illegal" person can present any "illegal" ID or IDs at any time.

A legal resident can also show false ID. You can buy the darn things in Berkeley as "novelty" items and then just chop off the bottom, remove the novelty ID, etc.

So "tracking" said "illegal" person short of doing on-site biometric scanning is a hopeless situation for law enforcement.

It depends on how the illegal is identified. If the person does not have good ID then the officer can (at least in my state and many/most/all others) take the individual into custody until they ARE identified and then cited.

Some officers print people without proper ID and then cut them loose with a cite ... others just take SOME document as "valid" ID and release ion a cite ... though the next time that the illegal uses that ID (usually a matricular card) he could be arrested if he or she failed to show in court.

Even legal residents that are up to no good frequently present fake or deceptive ID - or none at all. It is NOT just an illegal alien issue.

- Carl

[Milkman]

A state has a legitimate purpose in establishing the rules of the road and if that state does not wish to license suspended or DUI drivers from another state, so be it.

- Carl

So, in your opinion, it is not sufficient to pay your debt to the state of CA for a crime....technological advances such as the NDR DB (which wasn't available in the Bush/Cheny DUI years) allow a man's transgressions to follow him whereever he goes.

So, Carl, if I volunteer my time in the State of CA by assisting in the State Parks or in Stanford Children's Hospital or a soup kitchen, is there an NVR for the good deeds US citizens perform that follow him to FL?

Take some high technology mix in 1 part politics and 1 part propaganda, add fear and shake. With that cocktail, one can build an atom bomb, attack third world countries, surveil the citizenery .... but I digress, right?

[cdwjava]

So, in your opinion, it is not sufficient to pay your debt to the state of CA for a crime....technological advances such as the NDR DB (which wasn't available in the Bush/Cheny DUI years) allow a man's transgressions to follow him whereever he goes.

My opinion is not relevant to the situation - a state's laws are. If a state decides that the driver's history is relevant to safety issues in their state, that's the business of that state. If they do not wish to hold the applicant accountable for past transgressions, they are under no obligation to do so.

So, Carl, if I volunteer my time in the State of CA by assisting in the State Parks or in Stanford Children's Hospital or a soup kitchen, is there an NVR for the good deeds US citizens perform that follow him to FL?

Not that I know of ... but you can certainly reveal that info to whomever you wish. And I cannot think of a compelling state interest to track GOOD deeds.

If you have a beef with what your state's laws, then take it up with that state and lobby the legislature for a change.

- Carl