Outrageous Sexual Harassment Claim

[cyjeff]

Perhaps there is more to the story. I have never heard the guy make a sexual or racist slur in my presence. He is usually a really nice guy. As to the 'cuteness' of the women involved; this points to the myth that men always approach women for sex and women are helpless to defend themselves against it. It is comments like this that are demeaning to men and women alike.

Translation, she was a hottie. What I think is funny about this statement is that asking if the "friend" only offered underwear catalogs to attractive women is offensive, but calling that same woman a "lesbian feminist" isn't.

The thing I'm angry about is the hostile environment men now have to work in and that translates to less equity for women. Now even women are afraid to hire women because the company could be held liable if a woman complains.

Show to me the studies you are quoting here. I find it incredibly hard to believe that women find sexual harrassment laws limiting to their career.

And no, I am not going to give you a pass because "everyone knows this". If you are going to spout this as fact, I want the proof of your argument.

Otherwise, don't expect me to swallow what you are shoveling.

The law presumes guilt. Draconian sexual harassment policies trivialize real victims and make women look hysterical and pathetic. It puts feminism back 30 years. It's dangerous for men and women.

The whole politically correct agenda polarized everyone and creates hostility.

See above reference to "fact".

If a man was really harassing a woman I would be the first to put his head on the block, but we need some sanity here. We can't joke, we can't flirt, we can't be friends with women at work. There is always the chance that the slightest, most innocent comment will get you fired.

Here is the sanity.

I don't pay my employees to joke, flirt or to form friendships. I pay them to work. Dealing with crap like this forces me to move MY energies from moving my company forward to dealing with insensitive cretins who believe it should be in their rights to give a female coworker a friendly slap on the can when she has done a good job.

What you are not understanding is that you can dispute what is and what isn't harrassment all you want. What you don't get is that I just won't abide the drama.

You provide drama and complaints... you are history.

This is all coming from the same feminists who think all sexual activity with a man is rape. Fortunately there are good men and good women who are seeing the enormity of the problem and beginning to do something about it.

Again... point me to the studies and statistics where feminists say that all sexual intercourse is rape. That is news to me.

The enormity of the problem is this... women are equal. Until you think it is appropriate for a group of women to comment as you walk by, "Baby, who do you think you are gonna please with THAT. We will just call you popgun..." and then you find an add for a Swedish Enlarger on your desk, then we will provide the same courtesy to them.

If you wouldn't say it to your mother, don't say it to a coworker.

Like I said: I can't do anything about employment policy from within my work environment, but I can sure as hell make my voice heard.

Thank you very much.

Make sure you do it nice and loud. And make sure they spell your name right.

That way, future employers will be able to google it and realize whom they are hiring.... or not.

[mooreted2000]

"As long as some men use physical force to subjugate females, all men need not. The knowledge that some men do suffices to threaten all women. He can beat or kill the woman he claims to love; he can rape women...he can sexually molest his daughters... THE VAST MAJORITY OF MEN IN THE WORLD DO ONE OR MORE OF THE ABOVE."
Marilyn French (her emphasis)

'My feelings about men are the result of my experience. I have little sympathy for them. Like a Jew just released from Dachau, I watch the handsome young Nazi soldier fall writhing to the ground with a bullet in his stomach and I look briefly and walk on. I don't even need to shrug. I simply don't care. What he was, as a person, I mean, what his shames and yearnings were, simply don't matter."
Marilyn French; The Woman's Room.

"All patriarchists exalt the home and family as sacred, demanding it remain inviolate from prying eyes. Men want privacy for their violations of women... All women learn in childhood that women as a sex are men's prey."
Marilyn French

"All men are rapists and that's all they are."
Marilyn French, Author; (later, advisor to Al Gore's Presidential Campaign.)

"We live, I am trying to say, in an epidemic of male violence against women."
Katha Pollitt.

"All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman."
Catherine MacKinnon

"I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He's just incapable of it."
Former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan.

"The traditional flowers of courtship are the traditional flowers of the grave, delivered to the victim before the kill. The cadaver is dressed up and made up and laid down and ritually violated and consecrated to an eternity of being used."
Andrea Dworkin

"The media treat male assaults on women like rape, beating, and murder of wives and female lovers, or male incest with children, as individual aberrations...obscuring the fact that all male violence toward women is part of a concerted campaign."
Marilyn French

"Probably the only place where a man can feel really secure is in a maximum security prison, except for the imminent threat of release."
Germaine Greer.

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When feelings become fact, the stage is set for repression and cen-sorship. That is because, in the absence of tight definitions, almost any behavior can be construed as sexual harassment. A remark meant as praise can be experienced as an affront, an expression of sexual interest as a breach of trust. Victims, real or imagined, mul-tiply.
−Prof. M. Patricia Fernandez Kelly

“The Civil Rights Act of 1991 removed the requirements of discriminatory intent and wrote the concept of ‘disparate impact’ (i.e., effects, not intent) into statutory law for the first time. It also gave plaintiffs in Title VII discrimination cases the right to a jury trial and to monetary damages. This set the stage for the elevation of women’s word to the level of law – which was precisely the goal of feminist activ-ists.” –Daphne Patai

“There has been,” says ACLU president, Nadine Strossen, author of Defending Pornography: Free Speech, Sex, and the Fight For Women’s Rights, “too easy a leap from discrimination on the basis of gender to the false assumption that any sexual reference to or about a woman, or in the presence of a woman, is sexist. I find that absolutely contrary not only to free speech but to women’s equality. One thing I discovered in doing re-search for my book was the shocking extent to which, although our legal system has so far without any dissension rejected the [Catharine] MacKin-non/[Andrea] Dworkin argument in the context of pornography laws, [it] has accepted their world-view through the Trojan horse of sexual harass-ment law and practice. Their view boils down to: Sex is inherently degrad-ing to women, so any sexual image or reference [is harassment].” As a re-sult, Strossen says, sexual harassment “has disintegrated into simplistic demonization of sexual expression.”

“I think we’ve overemphasized gender or sex,” Nadine Strossen says, “and underemphasized harassment. Harassment is harassment – it doesn’t matter what basis you do it on! If I’m harassed because I’m a member of the ACLU or because I have curly hair, it doesn’t matter what the basis [is]. The same is true at work: if anybody is doing something that inter-feres with your ability to work, it doesn’t matter what in particular they see about you that makes them do that.
“The law [says] that you are protected against religious harassment. If we were to transpose the overly broad concept of any sexual reference to a woman as sexual harassment, then what about an employee talking about gay rights or reproductive freedom in front of an employee who’s a fun-damentalist? They could say that it’s religious harassment at work.”

“It is a sign of the extraordinary power gained by feminist perspec-tives that men have in some cases lost their livelihoods because a woman has interpreted something said or done (that just a few years earlier would have seemed innocuous) in accordance with new femi-nist dogma.”
–Daphne Patai

Criticizing the over-emphasis on gender or sex as diminishing women, Katie Riophe writes in The Morning After: Sex, Fear, and Feminism on Campus, “The assumption that women in the workplace can be sexually harassed by male peers or even subordinates – Catharine MacKinnon [ar-gues] the fact that being a man gives you so much more power that [women] need special rules. That [is like] saying that women who are in a position of power aren’t really; their power and their authority is so fragile that a dirty joke by a man can puncture all their years of hard work. I find that offensive.”

“There’s no doubt about the fact that the climate has been counterpro-ductive,” says Ricki Gaull Silberman, vice-chairman of the EEOC. “It lim-its women’s opportunities, although nobody will admit to it. Managers are afraid to give travel assignments to women, late-night assignments, [work behind] closed doors. We are in danger of reinstituting the protective laws of the early 20th Century that we were so proud of getting rid of in the name of equality.” (See also Rene Denfeld’s The New Victorians: A Young Woman’s Challenge to the Old Feminist Order; it speculates that expand-ing sexual harassment is part of the antimale war waged by RFs who de-sire gender segregation.)

Mariana Parks, Vice President at the Seattle-based Washington for Pol-icy Studies, notices the extreme importance of a mentor for anyone serious about a career. “You learn your best lessons from the mistakes you make,” she says, “but someone must be willing to sit down with you and tell you that you’ve screwed up. Now we have created a situation, with the deadly cocktail of affirmative action, EEOC lawsuits, and sexual harassment law-suits, in which people are increasingly unwilling to tell women what they are doing or have done wrong because it creates a paper trail. In the long run, this will be a huge impediment to women’s advancement.”
Female executives may find male executives becoming more reluctant than ever to include women in their circles, even as diversity programs call for women’s inclusion. Many men, says Judith Tingley in Genderflex: Men & Women Speaking Each Other’s Language At Work, are paralyzed by the fear of saying or doing something that will brand them as sexist pigs guilty of harassment.

...[I]t is clear that sexual harassment policies have damaged the work place as well. Among the less visible costs are: women have acquired the status of victims who require protection from a paternalistic State; women are losing mentors who are unwilling to risk complaints; women are being viewed as "the enemy" by male co-workers who do not as-sociate with them more than is necessary. −Wendy McElroy

“Inevitably, the heightened sensitivity to sexual harassment has left some men feeling persecuted, and it has convinced others that the handling of sexual harassment claims can be every bit as abu-sive as sexual harassment itself.”−Ellis Cose, A Man’s World

“Sexual harassment legislation in its current form renders all male employees unequal to all female employees. It violates the 14th Amendment’s guarantee of equal protection without regard of sex. Thus the political will to protect women prevails over the constitu-tional mandate to protect both sexes equally.” –Warren Farrell

Defending Pornography, Nadine Strossen

Heterophobia: Sexual Harassment and The Future of Feminism, Daphne Patai

The Myth of Male Power, Warren Farrell (www.warrenfarrell.com)

The New Victorians: A Young Woman’s Challenge to the Old Feminist Order, Rene Denfeld

Who Stole Feminism: Women Betraying Women, Christina Hoff Sommers

What To Do When You Don’t Want to Call the Cops, Joan Kennedy Taylor

Why Men Are The Way They Are, Warren Farrell

Women Can't Hear What Men Don't Say, Warren Farrell
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The list goes on, and on, and on.

[las365]

Interesting, you have gone from someone seeking information or assistance for your "friend," to a person with an agenda and a political axe to grind.

cough*troll*cough