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  1. #11
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    Default Re: Neighbor's Treehouse on Our Property

    Interesting developments in working with SB County surveyor's office. Found original map of 1920's development as well as surveys of rear 1984 and side 1994 neighbors property surveys. Located the 3 record of corner monuments as described in the record of corner documents. That is the two rear and the front corner farthest from the treehouse in question. The other front corner nearest to the treehouse has no record of a monument ever being established. With 3 of the 4 corners of a trapazoid shaped parcel defined by corner monuments where does that put me in terms of this situation? In measuring down from the located front/street corner marker to unoffically determine that fourth corner, the treehouse still appears completely on my parcel. Is that enough for an attempt to request the neighbor to remove or at least relinquish any rights to that treehouse?

  2. #12
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    Default Re: Neighbor's Treehouse on Our Property

    I was able to do some research with The SB county surveyor's office and located the original development map as well as surveys of the adjacent side and rear neighboring property which indicated that there are 3 of 4 corners marked for their/my property with monumentation. I phyiscally loacted all 3 markers which define my back 2 corners and the front corner away from the treehouse in question. There are not records of a monument on the 4th corner but I certainly was able to measure from both adjacent monuments to determine where I believe the 4th one would be. In doing so the treehouse appears to be completely on my property. Given that I now have copies the original subdivision docs, corner record docs and have found all 3 defined monuments where do I stand? Last weekened we noticed that the house was completely repainted (exterior) and all the junk normally leaning up against the home was piled under the treehouse which only adds to our desire to address the situation.

  3. #13
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    Default Re: Neighbor's Treehouse on Our Property

    You really need a surveyor to determine that line for you. We have no idea whether the points you found are actually those shown on the maps or how skillfull you are at measuring. You may have the correct points and may measure well, or you may not. A licensed surveyor is trained at both and licensed to determine your boundary location. Any assertions by you based on your own measurements, no offense intended, will likely be met with skepticism if not dismissed out of hand. If you have a survey map in hand and stakes by a surveyor in the ground, you have something much more credible, leaving the neighbor little room for disagreement without them hiring a surveyor to verify your surveyor's results. Short of having the survey, you could approach the neighbor with your suspicion that the tree house and junk pile may be on your property and you would like them, at a minimum to remove the junk pile. But until you have the survey, you only have a suspicion of that fact.

    On old subdivision maps, those prior to WWII or so, it was common to not indicate any points set at lot corners, often showing only a few major monuments at exterior subdivision corners and sometimes a few locations such as street intersection points within the subdivision. But it was also common to set redwood hubs (stakes which were typically 2"x2" by 6" to 24" long) at all lot corners even though the map did not indicate any points set. The redwood hubs were typically driven to be flush or nearly so with the ground. In some subdivisions, redwood hubs are found even 100 years or more after being set. If your map was filed in the 1920s, if redwood hubs were set, and if any still remain, they would likely be difficult to identify to the untrained eye due to 80+ years of decomposition.

    Since there are fairly recent lot surveys in the area, there is probably sufficient original controlling monumentation, and perhaps original lot corners in place for a surveyor to accomplish your survey without undue difficulty. In describing the maps, your mixing terminology, so I don't know for certain which form of map the 1984 & 1994 lot surveys are depicted on. If the maps are 18"x26", they should be titled Record of Survey. If they are 8 1/2" x 11" (or 8 1/2" x 14" more likely for that time period), then they should be titled Corner Record. If they are Records of Surveys (larger map), that most likely means that one of the statutory triggers was encountered during the surveys - more work, more money. If they are Corner Records, that's good news. That means that everything seems to fit reasonably well as compared to the Subdivision Map. It also normally means that less initial effort is involved for the surveyor and so costs can be kept lower.

    With encroaching uses of land by neighboring landowners, the biggest concern is usually that the landowner holding written title to the property being used may lose it to the neighbor using the land through the doctrine of Adverse Possession. In California, because of the requirement of paying taxes on the disputed land and because of how County Assessors normally assess the taxes, a claim of Adverse Possession within a platted subdivision such as yours is rarely succesful (almost, but not quite, never succesful). Nevertheless, it is a good idea to get the survey as soon as you can afford to do so, have the surveyor set a stake or two along the property boundary near the treehouse, and bring the matter to your neighbor's attention, requesting removal of the treehouse. If you cannot afford the survey right away, it is still a good idea to notice the neighbor of your suspicion (strong suspicion if you like) that their treehouse is on your lot and that once you are able to verify it by survey, you would like them to remove it.

    I hope it works out for you.
    I'm a surveyor, not your surveyor & not an attorney.
    Advice is general survey, not legal. Hire a local professional for specific advice.

  4. #14
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    Default Re: Neighbor's Treehouse on Our Property

    The 1984 & 1994 docs were indeed Corner Records. On the 1994 Corner Record, the surveyor indicated that he set two 1" iron pipe w/plastic plug marked LS4639. I found both those markers with the plugs LS4639 intact and legible. The corner marker referenced in the 1984 survey indicated that he set a 1" I.P. tagged LS 2942" which I located however the white tag is no longer legible. I think I will approach the neighbor at this point with the documents and the located monuments and see how they respond. If they object to my findings then I will pursue the survey. I might give the local surveyor previously recommended a call and see what he has to say as to the costs given where I now stand. Thanks again. Let me know if any of the info above generates any more advice.

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