Beginning Point for a Survey

[eapls2708]

And by the way, on the internet, it's a lot easier to learn how to embalm aunt betty in your kitchen than it is to learn how to survey in Texas.

Funny, in a morbid sort of way, but true. TX is different in many ways than the rest of the US. For instance, surveys are often represented by a description but not by a filed drawing, but subdivisions, if I recall correctly , must be filed. Since descriptions, especially older ones, were often written by attorneys and others, and sometimes the landowners themselve, any more often than not without an understanding of surveying, a lot more interpretation goes into it than a non-surveyor might expect.


LS, you may be right about the OP as a troll. I guess we'll see if he comes back with info and real questions.

[itisup2us]

If one will read the commencing statement of the post, it was a relatively simple question, which is corner of the pictured Block is the NW corner, the aerial photo not only included the Lat/Long lines but compass bearing also. I wasn't looking for any free work search product regarding a survey of the deed, but merely a basic opinion to the question.

Such as your question, My truck has suffered a loss of power and loss of gas mileage. What's wrong with it? While a motor vehicle has many components, a simple principle being that the engine provides the power, I would tell you had engine trouble; But see I am an expert so it could be your tires, your axle or transmission, I just couldn't tell you without more information I just couldn't say. But if you were a fellow truck driver I would suggest you stop using gas since big trucks run on diesel.

Anyway, I thought it might be a interesting question since the due to the positioning of the Block with all 4 corners bearing N, S, E & W, but thought it was interesting the way the lines drew out from either corner, anyway saw the forum and thought I would check it out, not really interested now.

[eapls2708]

You identified my question to be more involved than I implied by your expertise. Why don't you accept that the seemingly simple question that you asked is not as simple as it seems?

You want a navigation level answer for a boundary level question. In answer to my question, you answered "engine trouble". Well no kidding, I already know that, but what's the cause of the engine trouble. I'm not an expert, but I gave you some choices and you're supposed to pick one. You told me stop using diesel in my truck. A very simple, basic answer that may be the correct one if my truck were diesel, but it's not. By witholding the info that my truck has a gas engine, your answer, given as an expert, is wrong.

We're trying to inform you that your question is also not simply answered, and your answers to my question demonstrate why we are telling you that answering your question as asked, with the given info would be irresponsible because it could very well be wrong.

You could ask your doctor "I have a headache, what's causing it and how do I get rid of it? Simple question, right? Except that the doctor has to consider everything from you skipped your usual 6 cups of morning coffee, to possible concussion, to brain tumor, to blod clot about to break loose and become an aneurism. The treatment may be anything from "take 2 aspirin, drink your coffee and let me know if that doesn't work", to radiation & chemo, to emergency surgery to remove a clot. A responsible doc is goint to take some things into consideration: Have you been in recently with a similar or related complaint?; is there a family history of cancer or of stroke?; have you bonked your head recently? And probably a few other questions and reference to your file. Only after that is he going to decide on his next recommended course of action.


If you want a simple answer to your question at a navigation level, by looking at an aerial photo that has absolutely nothing to do with your description, then here it is: Fold up your description and put it in your pocket, you won't need it; start at the most westerly corner, use your boy scout compass and start walking. If you get lost, stop at a service station and ask directions.

When you want a serious answer, let us know.

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You identified my question to be more involved than I implied by your expertise.

suspicion confirmed

[LandSurveyor]

I hope that we are wrapping up on a thread which has gotten far more attention than it has deserved.

The OP has proven to be a troll at this point. It took until post #12 until we found out that he was an owner:

I own a large section of the property(ies) in question and I want to get it properly and formally platted, but I don't care about what my rights are in respect to doing ownership or platting but rather doing what is right; if there was, which I am not saying there was anything done illegally regarding this property in the past, but I have questions. At this point, I have some questions and and what I am finding so far is convincing me to have nothing to do with its legitimization by having it platted.

The actual problem the OP has is still being carefully screened and hidden from us. As long as he holds all of the info, he sees himself as controlling the outcome of the thread, and possibly avoiding an outcome which he is unwilling to contemplate.

Pretty obtuse for an owner who can't seem to find his deed and post it up to help us help him. He's likely had a problem, as he sees it, with a surveyor in his past or present. Maybe one stole his kickball in grade school. The chip on the shoulder has been displaced.

Rude behavior can originate in a variety of ways but I can't imagine why the OP would want to try to interrogate jk, who understands more about surveying than the OP ever wants to know. The immature insults to the surveying profession don't deserve a reply.

For the rest of you reading this, there are lessons here. First of all, don't assume that any state is going to unlicensce surveyors anytime soon.

Second, assume that if you want to be able to transfer or mortgage real estate, a cloud on the boundary is a cloud on the title which is unlikely to be be removed solely by you or an attorney. Surveyors are some of the most experienced and educated people you will deal with in owning real estate. They offer a locational guarantee which attorneys, title companies, banks, etc. cannot guarantee.

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I noticed he removed the photo he linked as well.

[itisup2us]

By witholding the info that my truck has a gas engine, your answer, given as an expert, is wrong. I thought I said "engine". I guess it is true what they say, you can learn a lot from a dummy.

Humm, so a surveyor has to have the ability to interpret a written description, so when I said “BUT IF you were a fellow truck driver I would suggest you stop using gas since big trucks run on diesel.”

A very simple, basic answer that may be the correct one if my truck were diesel, but it's not. Guess I will let the reader figure that one out for themself.

As far as the comment regarding degrading surveyors, I merely said that if a person can’t make a determination where to commence from a platted location, to which most of you said the Blue Corner which I think is the accurate determination based upon the written description too, I would the say thing about a truck driver that didn’t know how to put it into gear and get it started rolling.

So if the 1904 description says starting at whatever corner you want thence N 35 W 180 feet. Surely you wouldn’t go N 35 W, or for those using a boy scout compass that would be an azimuth of 325 degrees, or would you? By the way, do you know the principle why, behind the reason of the answer to, that question?

I merely pulled the link because I didn't want to confuse any of you with facts if surveying is merely theoretical ... besides I really don't know anything, I'm just listening to my imaginary friend. LOL

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it doesn't matter which way you are going until you know where to start. Have you located the actual iron referred to? You haven't given enough information here to locate that iron.

as to the directions; that is easily determined but have no desire to assist you. If the surveyors do, that is up to them.

and your continued ramblings are just that. NOBODY said surveying is merely theoretical. You were told what it was by eapls long ago. If you choose to misinterpret such a simple explanation as he gave, well, I guess that speaks volumes about you.

As far as the comment regarding degrading surveyors, I merely said that if a person can’t make a determination where to commence from a platted location, to which most of you said the Blue Corner which I think is the accurate determination based upon the written description too

it can be IF all of the required information is provided. You choose to withhold necessary information so because of that, it cannot be accurately stated as to which corner is being referred to. So, you got guesses, some educated, some just plain guesses. That means nothing when you get serious and want a real answer though.

Remember, people used to think the Sun revolved around the Earth. Why did they come to that conclusion? They guessed and when enough information was finally obtained, it was determined it was the opposite.

anyway, it's obvious your return is simply to troll, so far. As the actual surveyors told you, provide the necessary info and you might just get some answers. Those guys are actually quite forgiving and extremely knowledgeable and helpful. If you still want a real answer, it wouldn't surprise me if they were still willing to help. It's up to you to prove your trollishnes or serious desire for information.

Oh, and to your "big trucks run on diesel". For that to be accurate, you would first have to define "big truck". Until then, all you can do is guess as to what a big truck is and as such, if, as you believe, all big trucks run on diesel so it is a diesel engine. As such, you cannot state with any certainty that any truck has a diesel engine or a gas engine based on your statement that "big trucks run on diesel". To my grandchild, anything bigger than his little electric truck is a BIG truck. To a guy that drives semis, he may differentiate what you are likely referring to as "big trucks" as big trucks and small trucks based on the truck he drives. If so, in that case, even some small trucks have diesel engines. You have to understand the perspective to be able to determine what was meant by the statement. Surveying is the same and you have not provided the information required to understand the perspective of the speaker (surveyor) that noted one corner as the NW corner.