Self-Defense to an Assault and Battery Charge

[cbg]

When did I say my father was in MA? I live in MA. He doesn't. And I didn't say he prescribed anything for me. I said that when he retired, his state board provided him with a limited license that allows him to write prescriptions for family members only. At no time did I claim that he wrote any prescriptions for me, or any family member. I said that he COULD. That he was legally permitted to. That the state did not tell him he was prohibited from writing scripts for his family (as you insisted that was the case); that rather, the state ONLY allows him to write for family members now that he has retired.

You were insisting that a doctor is prohibited from writing any kind of script for a family member, and I told you you were wrong. Which you are. At best you've shown that maybe your wife could not have written you certain medications in one state. You have not shown either of your other contentions (that a doctor CANNOT write scripts for family members, or that a doctor cannot write prescriptions outside his/her own specialty) is correct.

You clearly still do not understand that nowhere are you going to find laws that give permission for an optional action. In the absence of a law prohibiting an action, the action is legal. So I don't have to show you any laws saying it's permissible - you have to show the laws that say it's not.

[Dogmatique]

You are completely right, eye doctors routinely prescribe blood pressure medication and high cholesterol medication per the law which states, "practitioner acting in the usual course of professional practice." Keep posting the same thing without any evidence, I am really impressed by that anecdotal story about your father. I think that would hold up in court.

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So you can't cite any evidence for your claims. Why am I not surprised.

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I'm going to go ahead and ignore the rest of you dolts as well. You people are worthless to this board, and have no information to share, you just get on here to bicker. You tell me to know the "facts" and yet you can't post ANYTHING to back up your claims, nor do you even understand half of the comments being shared. Get thee to a library! I also suggest Haldol for the lot of you malcontents.

You're almost as amusing as TW. Except he had a sense of humor. And actually is mentally ill, so at least he has an excuse.

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When did I say my father was in MA? I live in MA. He doesn't. And I didn't say he prescribed anything for me. I said that when he retired, his state board provided him with a limited license that allows him to write prescriptions for family members only. At no time did I claim that he wrote any prescriptions for me, or any family member. I said that he COULD. That he was legally permitted to. That the state did not tell him he was prohibited from writing scripts for his family (as you insisted that was the case); that rather, the state ONLY allows him to write for family members now that he has retired.

You were insisting that a doctor is prohibited from writing any kind of script for a family member, and I told you you were wrong. Which you are. At best you've shown that maybe your wife could not have written you certain medications in one state. You have not shown either of your other contentions (that a doctor CANNOT write scripts for family members, or that a doctor cannot write prescriptions outside his/her own specialty) is correct.

You clearly still do not understand that nowhere are you going to find laws that give permission for an optional action. In the absence of a law prohibiting an action, the action is legal. So I don't have to show you any laws saying it's permissible - you have to show the laws that say it's not.

And that's the point that this "op" doesn't seem to get.

I can give a real-life example, too. As some of you know, my late DH was under the care of several specialists. His endocrinologist could prescribe him blood pressure meds, as could his cardiologist, optometrist and PCP.

He's just here to argue. But, I'm guessing he'll insist on having the last word and that's fine. I'm not the one with the criminal record.

[Mr. Knowitall]

What you keep stating as "facts" are nothing more than your personal bias playing an inner narrative in your head that simply didn't happen. Yes, I agree that I should have walked out, but the FACT is that nothing I said was illegal or disorderly. Nor did I ever "pistol whip" anyone. Where do you even get this stuff? You also state that I "hollered insults", which is also false.

I told you before - I found a news story about a guy who pulled a gun on a doctor at the doctor's clinic, and hit the doctor in the face with the gun.

I'll give you one last shot here - is that you, or should I go ahead and link to the story and to the guy's online court records so you can see how remarkably similar your case is to his, save for the fact that he was reported to have hit the doctor in the face with a gun, with the doctor having bruising to back that up, and was sentenced to drug testing and treatment as appropriate whereas nobody who knows you could think you have a drug problem. I'm trying to be as polite as possible (polite with a long i) here, but if you insist that cannot possibly be you....

When you say that none of your doctors, including the doctor who treats your high blood pressure, can prescribe your blood pressure medications or call in a refill for you, well... you're not even trying to be credible.

And pray tell, Mr. Know-it-None, how was I supposed to know the doctor was not armed? I still don't know if the man had a weapon or not, but I sure as hell thought he did.

There you go with the childish insults again.

If you can sit there, this long after-the-fact, and say "I still don't know if the man had a weapon or not" then you should have kept yours holstered.

HE grabbed me by the back of the neck while I was AT MY CAR DOOR.

Now you're changing your story. (Again.)

As left the exam room, he was standing at the end of the hallway leading to the exit. I yelled out his name, and walked down the hall to the exit. I then stated, “Before I leave here, I wanted to tell you that the reason those people you call idiots, who are actually called patients, go home and kill themselves is because they are treated like criminals by doctors like you.” He responded by grabbing my left arm and squeezing until I yanked my arm away, and then he began to bump his chest against mine. He would continue to push and shove, and call me a “little punk” as I walked towards the security door leading to the lobby. He followed me through the security door, and then he followed me outside the front door of the clinic, into the parking lot, and to my vehicle. When he came outside, he used his right hand to sweep his white coat back, and reached behind his back as if reaching for a weapon.

I know this movement to be consistent with someone carrying a firearm in the small of their back, in what is termed an “inside the waistband holster.” He then threw down his stethoscope on the pavement and told me, “You better get the Hell out of here you little punk.” As I thought he was reaching for a firearm, I took cover behind my vehicle.

Incidentally, although nobody at this point has any doubt that you like to insult people, calling out "Before I leave here, I wanted to tell you that the reason those people you call idiots, who are actually called patients, go home and kill themselves is because they are treated like criminals by doctors like you." to somebody at the other end of a hallway is reasonably described as hollering insults at the doctor.

[souperdave]

If mental instability had a dollar value, this loony's net worth would rival Trump.

Plus, he could give the Energizer Bunny a run or two........redefining on-and-on-and-on-and-on!

[Mr. Knowitall]

I could buy, "I'm basically a good guy with a lot of medical problems, I got into a misunderstanding with a new doctor and behaved badly, due to my mental state I completely overreacted to the situation, thought the doctor had a gun and drew a gun on him." What I have a hard time with here is the conceit that everything that went wrong in this situation was somebody else's fault, the insistence that (facts be damned... or changed as we go along) he didn't overreact by pulling the gun on the doctor, and the insistence that we're supposed to pretend that nothing in the story suggests either a drug and/or mental health problem.

If the story here were, "I needed pain medication due to breakthrough pain from my severe migraines, and the doctor confused me with a pill-seeker," i could accept that. But I have a very hard time with, "All I asked for was blood pressure medication and no other doctor, including the one who was treating my blood pressure, could get me a prescription or refill."

[aardvarc]

His attorney apparantly agreed with you Mr. K - every issue we've raised here would have been raised at trial, and after 7 pages of dialog, with the luxury of time to ponder responses, still aren't getting anywhere near to a presentation or "reworking" of facts that comes close to ending with "oh, well now the whole thing makes sense".

Sadly, the OP for some reason believes that discussion beyond "if you want to appeal, consult an attorney" is relevant, when, well, it's not. Even if every poster agreed 100%, it's STILL a moot point, thanks to the plea. OP, again, you are advised to seek an attorney to evaluate potential appeal.

Else....

Horse.

Flogging.

Dead.

[souperdave]

I wouldn't say dialog Catherine, I'd say diatribe. Looks to me that the situation has driven the OP over the edge. Coming here and endlessly posting about a situation that clearly is in the past, with the most logical outcome being the one that was reached, is clearly a sign of some significant instability.

Looks to be that the OP thinks that if he launches some sorta rant-without-end, then the outcome will change. Not only a sign of instability but also delusion. Probably the result of an extended period of heavy drug use/misuse/abuse.

[aardvarc]

I wouldn't say dialog Catherine, I'd say diatribe.

That was my nice side showing thru.

I almost dropped the sh*t bomb over the police radio earlier, so was trying to curb my "enthuaism" with proper and acceptable language, as opposed to what I wanted to call it.

[souperdave]

HOLY CRAP!!! Now the delusionally unstable OP is offering "advice" in other threads as if he actually knows WTF he's talking about. Methinks there's a potential that he's gonna do some damage once an unfamiliar poster takes any "advice" posted by him to heart!

If one can't even keep track of their own rampant bullshit, then they ought not to seem like they know what they're talking about when spewing forth potentially damaging opines to unsuspecting posters seeking genuine guidance.

Jus' sayin'!

[Insons Insontis]

Dave, if you see any errors in my advice to other posters, I am sure you are more than capable of pointing them out. It is obvious that you all disagree with me, and I have nothing to gain for continuing this thread.

Regardless of what you think of me, I am sure if actually take the time to read my other posts, you will find no error in my advice or opinion, as believe it or not I actually post on here to help people as I am a good person that just got caught up in bad circumstances. I could have handled the initial confrontation better and just left instead of confronting the doctor, but I had no idea that it would lead to such drama. Even if I had dog cussed him, I still don't think a reasonable person follows you outside, let alone into the parking lot, all the way to your vehicle. Regardless of your assertion that I "pistol whipped" the doctor, I can assure you that no such thing happened and that there are no online records regarding my arrest or prosecution. I am certain that if I had actually hurt anyone, especially pistol whipped them, I would have been charged with battery instead of assault, and I would probably not be here posting on this board now, as I would be in jail.

We obviously disagree, and I have done my best to explain myself to you all. If you see me giving inappropriate or incorrect advice I am sure you will let me know and I hope that you do, as if I am wrong, I would like to learn. I have quite a bit of legal experience, but none when it actually comes to being a criminal, so please excuse me for not responding the way you think I should have based on your perception of what happened.

I realize that you guys are having fun making me your own personal punching bag, and apparently I am an easy target, so I have nothing else to gain from this thread and I have no ability to change any of your minds. So if you want to think I am a heroin addict, was doctor shopping, and the only thing that stopped my from killing someone was that I had to put my pistol down in order chomp down some more pain pills, knock yourself out. You seem to take much glee in rubbing my face in it, and I think that is more telling of you than it is of me.

Obviously I could have handled things much better or I would not be in this situation, but you continuing to castigate me serves no purpose other than to make you feel better about yourself, and make me feel worse. If that is your intention, you have done a great job. I yield, you win. I am a violent, drug addicted felon that is the scum of the earth and should be behind bars and seeking treatment for my mental disorders and rampant drug addiction and drug addled mind. I scare children and kick puppies, and I would steal from my own grandmother in order to get a fix. I should never be allowed to post on an internet forum trying to help other people in my position, and matter of fact, I should have my internet access blocked and my computer confiscated until I have been flogged in public and make amends to you personally for even having the temerity to post. Satisfied?