Should Domestic Violence Charges Require an Injury

[viol8te]

Since you like being able to abuse within the law, next time , simply tell your insignificant other that you are applying the "rule of thumb law." Being that it is okay to beat your woman with a stick as long as it is not bigger than the circumference of your thumb. It's a fact! Look it up. I FIGURED YOU MIGHT NEED THAT TO GO ALONG WITH THE REST OF THE BULL YOU SPEW.

[cyjeff]

Let me put it another way.

What would you say if I was to slap you in the face at least 3 times a week? Wouldn't leave a mark on you, but it would be as certain as sunrise. Anytime I felt you needed a little "attention getter".

How long would it take for you to call the cops on me?

Why does a marriage license make that behavior okay?

[jimben4]

Paralegal?

"Petty insulting stuff" would be verbal. Criminal domestic violence does not occur with words, but with the physical actions that include pushing, shoving, striking, etc. While verbal insults and the like might be grounds for "domestic violence" with regards to some civil aspects (restraining orders, divorce, etc.) they do not rise to criminal activity unless the threats are quite serious and likely to be carried out.

Battery will remain battery, and if in domestic relationship as defined un the Penal and Family Codes, it would be a DV related offense.

Paralegal is accurate though I do have a law degree. Lots of research.

My use of the word "insulting" pertains to the intent of the abuser. Yes, I do believe that non-injurious physical contact, which is not intended to cause physical harm, constitutes a far less serious crime than that of a bully who punches his subjugated wife in the face when the marital residence is insufficiently cleaned.

The “petty insulting stuff” is characteristic of common couples violence AND research suggests women are more often the instigators of “common couples violence” even though men are disproportionately prosecuted.

When two parties are mutually “going at” each other, the respective identities of the victim and abuse get awful muddy.

Mom, Mom, she slapped me. Well, he poked me first. No! you started it.

[drthyrd]

So you are a paralegal with a law degree and you are also upset that you were denied employment as a design engineer for a large possibly fortune 500 company and you are hoping the EEOC is going to pick up your case because you were passed over for a job because of your class (male) because males are disproportionately convicted of domestic violence. Do I have your story straight?

[Dogmatique]

Paralegal is accurate though I do have a law degree. Lots of research.

My use of the word "insulting" pertains to the intent of the abuser. Yes, I do believe that non-injurious physical contact, which is not intended to cause physical harm, constitutes a far less serious crime than that of a bully who punches his subjugated wife in the face when the marital residence is insufficiently cleaned.

The “petty insulting stuff” is characteristic of common couples violence AND research suggests women are more often the instigators of “common couples violence” even though men are disproportionately prosecuted.

When two parties are mutually “going at” each other, the respective identities of the victim and abuse get awful muddy.

Mom, Mom, she slapped me. Well, he poked me first. No! you started it.

Why did you cite WA code in a thread pertaining to Ohio?

(And yes, you got the WA parts wrong too)

[cyjeff]

So you are a paralegal with a law degree and you are also upset that you were denied employment as a design engineer for a large possibly fortune 500 company and you are hoping the EEOC is going to pick up your case because you were passed over for a job because of your class (male) because males are disproportionately convicted of domestic violence. Do I have your story straight?

Yeah... more detail...

I recently filed discrimination charges against a fortune 500 company for rescinding a job offer do to a five-year-old misdemeanor conviction for domestic battery. (theory being that mine was a mutually combative case of common couples violence i.e. mutually non-injurious physical contact and in my state, men are disproportionately prosecuted for such). I was denied employment as a design engineer.

What are the pros/cons of bringing discrimination litigation against a large corporation? What are the potential pitfalls?

Shocker! Our pro domestic violence advocate has a CONVICTION for DV... and is a design engineer with a law degree.

Yeah, things are just TUMBLING into place....poor poor batterer decided that not only is the Mrs. a punching bag but wants to sue companies for discriminating him for his violent streak.

And now, rather than LEARNING from all those classes that mean judge made him take, he is INSISTING that he has the RIGHT to beat the loved ones around him.

Yup... just like puzzle pieces.

A little more...

“Hitting”/”Striking” my wife was neither alleged nor did such ever occur. In Illinois, battery is defined as any sort of physical contact that is insulting or provocative. I plead guilty to shoving my wife away from me while she had her hands around and finger nails in my throat.

Let’s avoid spiraling into a socially repugnant debate regarding the Duluth Model of domestic violence. The “power and control” presumptions of the feminists operating “not for profit” battered women services have already been solidly debunked by statistical research.

So... not only convicted but plead guilty to it.

Yup... and now is sad because the world believes what he said to court.

by the way, I also noticed that you still haven't admitted you aren't an attorney. You just keep dodging that little admission in favor of evasion. Kinda tells us a lot.

[cdwjava]

Paralegal is accurate though I do have a law degree. Lots of research.

J.D.? Other?

My use of the word "insulting" pertains to the intent of the abuser. Yes, I do believe that non-injurious physical contact, which is not intended to cause physical harm, constitutes a far less serious crime than that of a bully who punches his subjugated wife in the face when the marital residence is insufficiently cleaned.

And that can make the difference between a misdemeanor or a felony. There is a difference, and the statutes in some states reflect this by enacting varying degrees of battery offenses.

The "petty insulting stuff" is characteristic of common couples violence AND research suggests women are more often the instigators of "common couples violence" even though men are disproportionately prosecuted.

Really? Interesting. Care to share that research, and your definition of "petty insulting stuff?"

Does a woman push a man's buttons? Sure. But, it is the man who makes the decision to get physical. And, men are prosecuted more often because they do tend to be the reported abusers.

When two parties are mutually "going at" each other, the respective identities of the victim and abuse get awful muddy.

Hence the reason that some states seek to identify a primary aggressor.

[jimben4]

Bachelors in electrical engineering, LL.M. and MBA

Hence the reason that some states seek to identify a primary aggressor.

What objective criteria should be used to identify a "primary aggressor"? Sounds like a "Leper with the most fingers" situation that gives family court Judges nightmares?

[Dogmatique]

This tells us you have no agenda here other than to argue.

You have no legitimate information or advice to offer anyone else.

Thanks.

[cdwjava]

Bachelors in electrical engineering, LL.M. and MBA

Nifty. So, no experience in criminal justice, then.

What objective criteria should be used to identify a "primary aggressor"? Sounds like a "Leper with the most fingers" situation that gives family court Judges nightmares?

Though, this would be an issue for the criminal court, not the family court.