Running a Stop Sign vs. Failure to Come to a Complete Stop

[Kerry Newman]

My question involves a traffic ticket from the state of: Texas
I got pulled over for not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign. The cop asked me if I knew why he pulled me over and I told him that it was probably for not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign, and he said yes. Then he gave me a ticket for running a stop sign, when I clearly observed it, came to a rolling stop, and proceded. I would think running a stop sign would be not slowing down or a total lack of observing the sign.

Any input? This was in Grand Prairie on a 2 lane residential street, 2 blocks from my house.
Thansk!!

[Mr. Knowitall]

You would be incorrect.

[flyingron]

There's no degrees of "rolling a stop" in the code. You either come to a complete stop or not. If you don't you are breaking the law.

Sec. 544.010. STOP SIGNS AND YIELD SIGNS. (a) Unless directed to proceed by a police officer or traffic-control signal, the operator of a vehicle or streetcar approaching an intersection with a stop sign shall stop as provided by Subsection (c).
(b) If safety requires, the operator of a vehicle approaching a yield sign shall stop as provided by Subsection (c).
(c) An operator required to stop by this section shall stop before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection. In the absence of a crosswalk, the operator shall stop at a clearly marked stop line. In the absence of a stop line, the operator shall stop at the place nearest the intersecting roadway where the operator has a view of approaching traffic on the intersecting roadway.

and from 541 TC

10) "Stop" or "stopping" means:
(A) when required, to completely cease movement; and

[adam_]

My question involves a traffic ticket from the state of: Texas
I got pulled over for not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign. The cop asked me if I knew why he pulled me over and I told him that it was probably for not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign, and he said yes. Then he gave me a ticket for running a stop sign, when I clearly observed it, came to a rolling stop, and proceded. I would think running a stop sign would be not slowing down or a total lack of observing the sign.

Any input? This was in Grand Prairie on a 2 lane residential street, 2 blocks from my house.
Thansk!!

You would be incorrect.

Actually, knowitall, YOU are incorrect and the OP is in fact correct: "running a stop sign would be not slowing down or a total lack of observing the sign." is true. But rolling a stop sign is ALSO a violation.


OP, do you really not know that there is no such thing as a "rolling stop"? It is an oxymoron that says "slow but NOT stop"

[bruinPE]

@adam:

What code are you citing this from? Whether you are "running" or "rolling" through a stop sign, they both end up being a moving violation for disobeying a stop sign.

[flyingron]

Huh? There's no "running a stop sign" or "rolling" as distinct entities. Please see the section of the Texas Transportation Code I posted. The 544.010(c) requires a complete stop. You don't do that, that is the law you break. Please don't invent stuff that doesn't exist. It doesn't do anything to help the posters.

[adam_]

@adam:

What code are you citing this from? Whether you are "running" or "rolling" through a stop sign, they both end up being a moving violation for disobeying a stop sign.

Huh? There's no "running a stop sign" or "rolling" as distinct entities. Please see the section of the Texas Transportation Code I posted. The 544.010(c) requires a complete stop. You don't do that, that is the law you break. Please don't invent stuff that doesn't exist. It doesn't do anything to help the posters.

If you guys are asking me questions, I don't know the context.

First, the term 'rolling stop' is an oxymoron. As a lay matter, you cannot 'stop' yet 'roll'..the term itself is a joke...and surely there is no law which allows it.


Second, KIA has 40k posts which are many times useless. (before you jump to defend he does have the occasional helpful input) So when he is technically incorrect, I enjoy pointing it out. The OP stated that "running a stop sign would be not slowing down or a total lack of observing the sign." This is IN FACT TRUE. (what the OP left out was the implied "but rolling would not be a violation")..>When KIA said the OP 'would be incorrect", it was KIA that was in fact incorrect-

Because blowing through a sign AND rolling through the sign are both violations of the law.

[That Guy]

@adam:

What code are you citing this from? Whether you are "running" or "rolling" through a stop sign, they both end up being a moving violation for disobeying a stop sign.

Aside from a baseless grudge that he has against someone, and his personal enjoyment (of making himself sound like a fool), adam doesn't need a code to justify his disagreement with anyone.

You can see the obvious contradiction in his SAME post:

But rolling a stop sign is ALSO a violation...

... there is no such thing as a "rolling stop"

Then he did it again:

... what the OP left out was the implied "but rolling would not be a violation"...

... blowing through a sign AND rolling through the sign are both violations of the law.

Yet I am sure he feels that he somehow "contributed" to this thread!

[adam_]

Just you buddy. Get a life.

I've contributed more by pointing out that "rolling stop" is an oxymoron. I'll stop there.

[That Guy]

Just you buddy. Get a life.

See, proving my first point, you have no basis for this ongoing grudge that you have against "me". Yet, you often "call me out" (as you referred to it) only to embarrass yourself each and every time.... Get a clue!

I've contributed more by pointing out that "rolling stop" is an oxymoron.

"Contributed more" than what? More than zilch or more than you usually do?
.... Either way, and unless you're suggesting that OP should take your proof its an "oxymoron" to court in his defense (which I hope you know will lead him nowhere), then you have contributed zilch! Nothing new for you though!

I'll stop there.

Good choice, albeit a bit too late!