Unconstitutional Law

[NyleOmar]

This is an old story to tell now ! But I feel robbed by the US government since ...
I'm now 58 and this happened when I was 19 (American - Egyptian)
I just wanted to present my case to those who want to look for justice..
I was born in Washington DC on 18 June 1952 . My father was Egyptian, mother Swiss.
We left for Egypt in the sixties. My father had the highest local post in the US Embassy in Cairo, as its Cultural Adviser .
I finished my studies in the American University of Cairo, and worked as a part time sound technician at the Embassy's Sound of America Studios. My father wished me to get a stable and permanent job with him at the Embassy. Available posts were for locals only. We're told that I had to renounce my US citizenship in order to get the job. And once I decided to leave, I'll get it back. It sound reasonable, because I couldn't retain both nationalities while having a job of an Egyptian, as US law states !!!
In 1975 I left the Embassy for another career and thought that I could apply for my US passport any time...! NO !!!.. I couldn't believe that if I had worked for Russia, Iran or for any other government, I wouldn't loose my citizenship... What a criminal unjust and unconstitutional law that forces those looking to serve their country and having a decent job, to renounce their future and dreams... I felt cheated and made a few attempts at the US Embassy but lost hope and couldn't afford legal fees to continue.
This tragic story must not happen to any US born citizens in the future...
Thanks God, I'm now a known music composer, pianist and IT consultant here in Egypt.
Thanks and regards

[LawResearcherMissy]

So, um, what's your question?

Or did you just need somewhere to rant?

[NyleOmar]

Is this law real ? "We're told that I had to renounce my US citizenship in order to get the job","because I couldn't retain both nationalities while having a job of an Egyptian, as US law states !!!" and if so, is it constitutional ? What do you - the Law Experts - think of it ? How can it be faught ? What can a person in that situation do ? especially being deceived "And once I decided to leave, I'll get it back" ?
Are these enough, or too much questions to answer ?!!

[LawResearcherMissy]

What law are you talking about?

The one that says if you renounce your US citizenship, you cannot ever have it back? Yes, it's real, and no, it's not unconstitutional.

G. IRREVOCABILITY OF RENUNCIATION

Finally, those contemplating a renunciation of U.S. citizenship should understand that the act is irrevocable, except as provided in section 351 of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1483), and cannot be canceled or set aside absent successful administrative or judicial appeal. (Section 351(b) of the INA provides that an applicant who renounced his or her U.S. citizenship before the age of eighteen can have that citizenship reinstated if he or she makes that desire known to the Department of State within six months after attaining the age of eighteen. See also Title 22, Code of Federal Regulations, section 50.20).

Renunciation is the most unequivocal way in which a person can manifest an intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Please consider the effects of renouncing U.S. citizenship, described above, before taking this serious and irrevocable action.

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizens...nship_776.html

Renouncing US citizenship is not an easy process. It would have been explained to you that it's irrevocable on the form that you signed to give up your citizenship.

Is this law real ? "We're told that I had to renounce my US citizenship in order to get the job","because I couldn't retain both nationalities while having a job of an Egyptian, as US law states !!!" and if so, is it constitutional ? What do you - the Law Experts - think of it ? How can it be faught ? What can a person in that situation do ??
Are these enough, or too much questions to answer ?!!

If the post required that you be an Egyptian national to take it, and you chose Egyptian nationality, it's done.

[NyleOmar]

Either you are doing your best to ententionally miss the question or you can't get it ... I meant that a person can not apply for a job at the US Embassy as a local (any country citizen) while having the US citizenship unless he renounces the US .... Plus, the decieving part that indicates the following : As that person renounced the US citizenship ONLY to serve for the US, then it only a formality that can be reversed once the cause is eliminated (leaving the post) ... I admit that this misleading part was stated to me verbaly and not written. I trusted the US, and was too young to believe differently ...
Hope you got it this time.

[cyjeff]

Either you are doing your best to ententionally miss the question or you can't get it ... I meant that a person can not apply for a job at the US Embassy as a local (any country citizen) while having the US citizenship unless he renounces the US .... Plus, the decieving part that indicates the following : As that person renounced the US citizenship ONLY to serve for the US, then it only a formality that can be reversed once the cause is eliminated (leaving the post) ... I admit that this misleading part was stated to me verbaly and not written. I trusted the US, and was too young to believe differently ...
Hope you got it this time.

We got it the first time. You didn't.

You renounced your citizenship. That is permanent. Not a formality.

[NyleOmar]

I don't need it back, I'm doing well and growing old, I have a very large and wealthy family, even grandchildren from my 33 yrs son ... I repeat if you can still hear me: I'm talking about WHY is it essential to renounce for a local job ??????? It's just unreasonable ... As I said in first post : Would the US prefer that I work for other, and may be enemies ??? I see no sence or logic in that law ....
This will be my last attempt to point on the matter needed to debate or talk about ..... Thank you guys

[LawResearcherMissy]

I'm talking about WHY is it essential to renounce for a local job ?

Because the job in question was open to Egyptian nationals ONLY. The job required that you be an Egyptian national. Most embassy jobs require that you hold only one nationality, so there isn't a question of divided loyalties.

You made your choice. It's time for you to live with it.

[NyleOmar]

Thank you, LAWYER ... You got those previous quotations from http://travel.state.gov/law/citizens...nship_776.html in seconds..! and now you are talking about "divided loyalties" ! I disagree, the whole idea is that the Americans must be in top position and officers, to freely bully the locals !! .. And about "living with it" ; I have no problems especially now that American's are not as appreciated as before around the world ..
It seems that you two guys do not want to debate on that State Department Law... I think because you are embarrassed to say why this law was established in the first place .... My idea is that the US thinks its citizens are the best of mankind !! And cannot, and wish not humiliate its Godness with other nationalities ... I hope not to believe that races approach that resembles Hitler's calling the Germans Gods. Although being an Egyptian descendent who taught all civilizations for humanity, we don't ask to renounce an Egyptian nationality from any person holding another nationality, even if he's about to work for the devil .... I really wanted to know for sure, the philosophy behind that stupid law..
Good luck and have a nice day

Being nicer to you two ... and leaving that silly subject, here is something about myself if you may be interested in just being friends :
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[mamabear2102003]

Thank you, LAWYER ... You got those previous quotations from http://travel.state.gov/law/citizens...nship_776.html in seconds..! and now you are talking about "divided loyalties" ! I disagree, the whole idea is that the Americans must be in top position and officers, to freely bully the locals !! .. And about "living with it" ; I have no problems especially now that American's are not as appreciated as before around the world ..It seems that you two guys do not want to debate on that State Department Law... I think because you are embarrassed to say why this law was established in the first place .... My idea is that the US thinks its citizens are the best of mankind !! And cannot, and wish not humiliate its Godness with other nationalities ... I hope not to believe that races approach the resembles Hitler's calling the Germans Gods. Although being an Egyptian descendent who taught all civilizations for humanity, we don't ask to renounce an Egyptian nationality from any person holding another nationality, even if he's about to work for the devil .... I really wanted to know for sure, the philosophy why was this law issued ..
Good luck and have a nice day

For real?

Gods? No. But PROUD, regardless of whether we are appreciated or not.